he said i don't think i would have started a company in the type of environment we have today. i want to make sure america is a place you want to start a business. people come here from all over the world, for opportunities, a chance to build for themselves. and their children. and i want to help them. i was with -- i was with one guy in st. louis, who had a small business. an electronics business. and he said that he and his son calculated how much money they were paying in taxes of what they earned. now, it is not a big business. four people, four employees. he said when they calculated their income tax, and then their payroll tax, and then their state income tax, then their gas tax, and then their real estate tax, it was over half of what they made. and he said think about this, we take a big risk to start a business. and then if we're one of the lucky ones where the business succeeds, the government wants to take half of what we make. so what i want to do, i want to lower the tax rates for small business. [ cheers and applause ] >> and i want to -- i want you to know, for b